“The Frog” by Tamiya: Vintage vs Remake

Back to: A detailed guide to Vintage vs Remake Tamiya R/C kits

This page explains the differences between the original vintage Tamiya R/C model kit called “The Frog” (model #58041) from 1983, and the newer Tamiya R/C model kit called “The Frog” (model #58354) from 2005.

All photos (original, donated or found) used here are for research & public interest purposes only.

This page was last updated: 13th September 2016

Original Vintage Model Remake Model
Model Name Model No. Year of Release Model Name Model No. Year of Release
“The Frog” 58041 1983 “The Frog” 58354 2005
Original Box tamiya-frog-box-vintage
Original box has original artwork with genuine sponsor logos, and other original text and graphics.
Remake Box tamiya-frog-box-reissue
Remake box has new artwork with fake sponsor logos, and other text and graphic changes.
Original Box Internals tamiya-frog-box-internals-vintage
Original box internals include blister pack display.
Remake Box Internals tamiya-frog-box-internals-reissue
Remake box internals contain a box of parts and other differences.
Original Manual tamiya-frog-manual-vintage
Original manual contains instructions specific to original kit.
Remake Manual tamiya-frog-manual-reissue
Remake manual is completely different and contains instructions specific to the remake kit.
Original Decals tamiya-frog-decals-vintage
Original decals contain real sponsor logos.
Remake Decals tamiya-frog-decals-reissue
Remake decals are completely different and contain fake sponsor logos, and other different decals.
Original Body tamiya-frog-body-vintage
Original body has the motor arch area pre-cut. It has holes pre-cut in rear window for attaching on/off switch. There is no embossed writing anywhere on the body or wing and there is no overspray film.
Remake Body tamiya-frog-body-reissue-1tamiya-frog-body-reissue-2tamiya-frog-body-reissue-3
[1] Remake body has “58041”, “07” and “© 1983 TAMIYA” embossed on it. [2] It does not have holes pre-cut in rear window for attaching on/off switch. [3] It does not have motor arch area pre-cut. [4] The rear wing has “58041” and “07” embossed on it. Both body and wing also have thin overspray film over the entire lexan, which must be peeled off.
Original Kit Motor tamiya-frog-motor-vintage
Motor provided in the original kit may have been Mabuchi RS-540S (pronounced black plastic end) or Johnson (pronounced white plastic end).
Remake Motor tamiya-frog-motor-reissue
Motor provided in the remake kit is the Mabuchi RS-540SH. It has a recessed metal end, and a sticker on the can which says “Mabuchi RS-540SH”.
Original Mechanical Speed Controller tamiya-frog-msc-vintage
Original speed controller is a mechanical contact point set with ceramic resistors, elements of which are visible on the exterior of the vehicle.
Remake Mechanical Speed Controller not-included
Mechanical speed controller and related resistors, wiring and components are not included. Remake instead comes with an electronic unit, no elements of which are visible on the exterior of the vehicle.
Original Drive Gear tamiya-frog-drive-gear-vintage
Original drive gear is made of brass.
Remake Drive Gear tamiya-frog-drive-gear-reissue
Remake drive gear is made of aluminium.
Original Plastic Gears tamiya-frog-plastic-gears-vintage
Original plastic gears are made of Delrin and are slightly yellow in colour.
Remake Plastic Gears tamiya-frog-plastic-gears-reissue
Remake plastic gears are made of a different plastic compound and are more white in colour.
Original Pressed Parts Bag tamiya-frog-pressed-part-bag-vintage
Original pressed parts bag contains many metal parts. The Fibreglass Plate is pale green in colour and made of fibreglass. The Resistor Plate may be black or white.
Remake Pressed Parts Bag tamiya-frog-pressed-part-bag-reissue
Remake pressed parts bag does not contain certain metal items: Switch Stay, Rear Arm Stopper x 2, Resistor Plate, Resistor Stay. Remake Fibreglass Plate is called “Reinforcing Plate” and is black and not made of fibreglass.
Original ‘A’ Parts tamiya-frog-a-parts-vintage
Original ‘A’ Parts sprues have “RCC SUBARU BRAT”, “1983” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on them.
Remake ‘A’ Parts tamiya-frog-a-parts-reissuetamiya-frog-a-parts-reissue-2tamiya-frog-a-parts-reissue-3
[1] Remake chassis halves have inverted length of the shock mounts (one side’s mounts are longer than the other, but it’s the opposite way around compared to the vintage ones. [2] Sprues have “© 1983 TAMIYA”, “58038”, “09833009-D4”, “>ABS<” embossed on them. [3] Remake part A1 has different hole position. [4] Remake part A4 is different shape. There are also two embossed circular date stamps on the inner side of one chassis half.
Original ‘B’ Parts tamiya-frog-b-parts-vintage
Original ‘B’ Parts sprue has “RCC SUBARU BRAT” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on it.
Remake ‘B’ Parts tamiya-frog-b-parts-reissue
Remake ‘B’ Parts are made of a more glossy plastic. Sprue has different embossed writing on it. Several parts such as plastic bearings and optional servo horns are not included.
Original ‘C’ Parts tamiya-frog-c-parts-vintage
Original ‘C’ parts sprues have “RCC SUBARU BRAT” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on them.
Remake ‘C’ Parts tamiya-frog-c-parts-reissue
Remake ‘C’ parts is made of a more glossy black plastic which is also less flexible than the original. Sprue layout has changed. [1] Some unused parts are omitted entirely. [2] Some new parts added.
Original ‘H’ Parts tamiya-frog-h-parts-vintage
Original ‘H’ Parts sprues have “RCC SUBARU BRAT” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on them.
Remake ‘H’ Parts tamiya-frog-h-parts-reissue
Remake ‘H’ parts is made of a more glossy black plastic. Sprue has embossed circular date stamps and material stamp “>PA<” on the sprue tab, which is also longer.
Original ‘F’ Parts and ‘R’ Parts tamiya-frog-f-r-parts-vintage
Original ‘F’ and ‘R’ Parts sprues have “1/10 RC VW BUGGY” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on them. Parts are a slightly off-white colour.
Remake ‘F’ Parts and ‘R’ Parts tamiya-frog-f-r-parts-reissue
Remake ‘F’ and ‘R’ Parts are made of a more glossy plastic which is also bright white. Sprues have “&copy 1979 TAMIYA”, “58016/0984069” an “ABS” embossed on them.
Original ‘Z’ Parts tamiya-frog-z-parts-vintage
Original ‘Z’ Parts sprues have “RCC THE FROG” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on them.
Remake ‘Z’ Parts tamiya-frog-z-parts-reissue
Remake ‘Z’ Parts sprues have “© 1983 TAMIYA”, “58041/0983093”, “58041/0983093-50”, “PS” embossed on them.
Original Front Bumper tamiya-frog-front-bumper-vintage
Original front bumper has “RCC QUATTRO RALLY” and “MADE IN JAPAN” embossed on it.
Remake Front Bumper tamiya-frog-front-bumper-reissue
Remake front bumper is made of a darker, more glossy black plastic. [1] It has “© 1983 TAMIYA”. [2] There are two embossed circular date symbols. [3] Embossed numbers “58036/0983045”. [4] An embossed material code “>PA<“. [5] Sprue does not have cut-off tabs. [6] Central support bar is wider (although some of the later original bumpers also had this wider part).
Original Screw Bag ‘A’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-a-vintage
Original pieces are gold in colour. Separate washers are included.
Remake Screw Bag ‘A’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-a-reissue
Different header card. Remake pieces are silver or black in colour. Washers are molded as part of screws.
Original Screw Bag ‘B’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-b-vintage
Original pieces are gold or silver in colour.
Remake Screw Bag ‘B’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-b-reissue
Different header card. Remake pieces are silver or black in colour.
Original Screw Bag ‘C’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-c-vintage
Original pieces are gold or silver in colour.
Remake Screw Bag ‘C’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-c-reissue
Different header card. Remake pieces are silver or black in colour.
Original Screw Bag ‘D’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-d-vintage
Original pieces are gold, silver or black in colour.
Remake Screw Bag ‘D’ tamiya-frog-screw-bag-d-reissue
Different header card. Remake pieces are silver in colour.
Original Tyres tamiya-frog-tyres-vintage
Original tyres are made of an earlier tyre compound. They are commonly sold in vintage coloured boxes with the wheels. But vintage examples (without wheels) may also be found in plain, clear cellophane packets as taken from vintage kits.
Remake Tyres tamiya-frog-tyres-reissue
Remake tyres may appear more shiny, and are made of a newer tyre compound that smells and feels different. They are commonly sold loose or in modern packets without the wheels.
Original Tool Bag tamiya-frog-tool-bag-vintage
Original tool bag consists of: 13 Nylon Bands, 2 Bead Bands, 3 Rubber Bags, rubber Switch Cover, rubber Joint Boot, Allen Key (large), Allen Key (small), Double Sided Tape and Grease (2g). (note: Box Wrench is found in kit blister pack
Remake Tool Bag tamiya-frog-tool-bag-reissue
Remake tool bag consists of: 4 Nylon Bands, rubber Joint Boot (which is made of a more glossy rubber), Allen Key (large), Allen Key (small), 2 Double Sided Tape, 2 Aluminium Glass Tape, Sponge Tape, AW Grease, Ceramic Grease, Box Wrench.
Original Rod Bag tamiya-frog-rod-bag-vintage
(info coming)
Remake Rod Bag tamiya-frog-rod-bag-reissue
(info coming)
Original Uprights tamiya-frog-upright-vintage
Original uprights are made of cast aluminium, with a gold coloured ball joint.
Remake Uprights tamiya-frog-upright-reissue
Remake uprights are made of a similar material, but appear smoother and more shiny.
Original Ball Bearings tamiya-frog-ball-bearing-vintage
Original ball bearings have a notable pattern of segments on inner ring.
Remake Ball Bearings tamiya-frog-ball-bearing-reissue
Remake ball bearings may differ in appearance.
Original Pinion Gears tamiya-frog-pinion-gears-vintage
Original pinion gears are made of aluminium, and have a brushed aluminium look about them.
Remake Pinion Gears tamiya-frog-pinion-gears-reissue
To my eyes, Remake Pinion Gear sets appear more glossy/shiny.
Original Bevel Gears tamiya-frog-bevel-gears-vintage
Original Bevel Gears.
Remake Bevel Gears tamiya-frog-bevel-gear-reissue
Remake Bevel Gears may be a lighter silver colour.
Original Half Shaft tamiya-frog-half-shaft-vintage
Original Half Shafts are shafts with hexagonal ends.
Remake Half Shaft tamiya-frog-half-shaft-reissue
Half Shafts are not included. Remake instead uses entirely different universal shaft style system.
Original Joint Shaft (Long) tamiya-frog-joint-shaft-long-vintage
Original Joint Shafts (Long) are shafts with hexagonal ends.
Remake Joint Shaft (Long) tamiya-frog-half-shaft-reissue
Joint Shafts (Long) are not included. Remake instead uses entirely different universal shaft style system.
Original Joint Shaft (Short) tamiya-frog-joint-shaft-short-vintage
Original Joint Shafts (Short) are shafts with hexagonal ends.
Remake Joint Shaft (Short) tamiya-frog-half-shaft-reissue
Joint Shafts (Short) are not included. Remake instead uses entirely different universal shaft style system.
Original Adjustable Shock Absorber tamiya-frog-adjustable-shock-absorber-vintage
Original Adjustable Shock Absorber is a vintage type, molded with early cyclinder type and internals.
Remake Adjustable Shock Absorber tamiya-frog-adjustable-shock-absorber-reissue
Remake Adjustable Shock Absorber is a different type, with different cylinder and internals.
Original Metal Parts tamiya-frog-metal-parts-vintage
Original Metal Parts are contained in a bag together, and include brass parts.
Remake Metal Parts tamiya-frog-metal-parts-reissue
Remake Metal Parts items are spread across a couple of different parts bags.
Original Damper Oil tamiya-frog-damper-oil-vintage
Original Damper Oil is dark in colour.
Remake Damper Oil tamiya-frog-adjustable-shock-absorber-reissue
Remake Damper Oil is a different weight, and lighter colour.

Thanks to: beefmuffin, Frog Jumper and Michael for help with Frog information and photos.